
Legacy TMCC2, DCS, and TMCC - Feature By Feature
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by D. Railer updated October 19, 2006
Set-up
TMCC2
1. One wire connects to the track in one place
DCS
1. Setup varies from simple to complicated, with special wiring
arrays and methods advised by experienced users
TMCC
1. One wire connects to the track in one place
Troubleshooting Tips
TMCC2
(See TMCC below)
DCS
"Being one of the early adopters of DCS (way back in April 2002!)
I learned a lot of things the hard way. There are several things
I strongly recommend to make DCS effective and fun to operate.
These DCS Wiring Tips are not intended as the required method by
which DCS must be wired. Rather, they are suggestions for things
to look at to maximize the DCS experience if DCS is not performing
perfectly. Typically, DCS functions just fine right out of the box
in the vast majority of wiring topologies that O gauge operators
use when creating their layout wiring schematic.
1. Locate the TIUs centrally to all points on the layout to which
they will be connected;
2. Run 14-16 gauge wire from the transformers to each of the TIU
inputs;
3. Run 14-16 gauge wires directly from the TIU outputs to the
center of each of the areas of the layout that each
channel supports;
4. Place a terminal block at each of those places;
5. Run 16 gauge wire to each track location directly from the
associated terminal block. DO NOT use a second tier
of terminal blocks;
6. Place an 18 volt bulb across each terminal block's inputs (one
bulb per terminal block). Alternately, lighted Lionel
#260 bumpers work fine for me, one per TIU channel;
7. All wire should be either paired (like speaker wire) or, even
better, twisted pair, to reduce signal loss on the
longer runs. The OGR wire is the best 16 gauge wire
I've encountered for this purpose;
8. Solder all connections to the tracks. If you have the time and
patience (frankly, I did not) crimp spade connectors
to the end of every wire that gets screwed into a
terminal block, unless you use terminal blocks that
place the wire in a hole and then screw down on top
of it. Regardless, the intention is to get a very
tight connection.
9. Isolate all sections of track that get a DCS signal from all
other sections of track that get a DCS signal.
Basically, each becomes a block. Do this by ensuring
that the center rails of each block are isolated from
adjacent blocks. It's NOT necessary to isolate the
outside rails from block to block.
If you follow the above process I'm certain that you will have a
much more effective and fun DCS experience."
-- Barry, DCS Ambassador
TMCC
TMCC has some special circumstances which need to be
recognized and considered. These include wire constructed
tunnels, overhead tracks, metal bridges, powered metal
buildings and similar circumstances. These situations
sometimes present a disturbance in the TMCC signal.
These TMCC and Legacy Wiring Tips are not intended as
the required method by which TMCC or Legacy must be wired.
Rather, they are suggestions for things to look at to maximize
the TMCC or Legacy experience if TMCC or Legacy is not
performing perfectly on a particular layout. Typically, TMCC
and Legacy both function just fine right out of the box and
in the vast majority of wiring topologies, there is no problem.
1. Make sure you have a good ground on the Command Base.
The AC adapter that came with the Command Base MUST be
plugged into a well grounded 3 prong plug for TMCC to work
properly. If that is not available, on the 3 to 2 adapter there
is usually a little tab off the ground prong. Run a piece of wire
from it to a water pipe or other known good earth ground.
2. Wire mesh tunnels.
Chicken wire used in conjunction with tunnels can cause
a loss of TMCC signal. This can be avoided by adding an
extra wire along the track, hidden inside the tunnel or
by ballast, to help keep the signal strength up.
3. Metal effect of buildings.
To overcome the metal effect on TMCC just ground the
metal parts to earth ground. You can get earth ground
from the center screw a receptacle plate and or your
water pipe. A metal floor on the bridge will effect TMCC.
4. Increase signal strength in diesels.
If you are having trouble with a particular engine, an easy
way to increase signal strength is to install self adhesive
aluminum tape inside the cab and all you have to do is lay
the original antenna on top of it held on by simple scotch
tape, as long as it makes contact it will greatly increase
the resistance to dead spots.
4a. A user's experience with a poor signal on a specific locomotive.
I added a 2"x3" double thick piece of foil to each diesel
by taping it to the inside top of the plastic housing.
A little piece of wire and solder guaranteed a good
electrical connection between the foil and existing
antenna. Problem solved on every diesel! I can now creep
my Odyssey RS11 through the metal tressel bridge blowing
my horn all the way.
Addressing
TMCC2
1. By TMCC ID#
2. By the entering road number on the side of the engine and
selecting
3. By scrolling to a BIG NAME and selecting
4. By toggling between present and last engine
DCS
1. By scrolling to a name, (you may need glasses), then
selecting
2. By toggling between present and last engine.
3. By entering a two digit engine #
TMCC
1. By TMCC ID#
Whistle horn
TMCC2
1. Provides a real-time adjustable horn control that is a variable
lever operated by user, allowing engineer-controlled
whistle horn blows just like a real train, with precise
control for signaling in different situations
DCS
1. Press a button and a whistle sound plays with no additional
control other than off, on, and duration
2. Hold the button down for a variable length "tail" on the horn
or whistle
TMCC
1. Press a button and whistle sounds vary differently depending
on how fast the engine is going
Bell
TMCC2
1. Single rings controlled by user
2. Continuous warning sound on and off
DCS
1. Continuous warning sound on and off
TMCC
1. Continuous warning sound on and off
Boost
TMCC2
1. A real-time multi-position sprung lever control for boosting
speed, holding that speed, adjusting it, or returning to
original speed by letting go of the sprung lever, with
realistic laboring chuffs on steamers and labored rpm
changes on diesels (prototypical amount of rpm levels)
DCS
1. A button that keeps increasing speed, smoke and chuff rate at
a pre-set rate until you release it for steamers, or
until you change it back for diesels (10 steps)
TMCC
1. A button that keeps increasing speed as long as it is held down.
When it is released, engine returns to original speed
Independent Engine Brake
TMCC2
1. Provides a real-time adjustable multi-position sprung lever for
braking speed, holding the new speed, adjusting it and
returning to original speed by letting go of the sprung
lever
2. Brake sounds change in intensity according to user position of
brake lever
3. Velocity throttle braking at a realistic rate based on momentum
settings and engine speed without using a lever or
button
DCS
1. A button that brakes speed at a realistic rate based on the
actual speed
2. One brake sound that loops, persisting until the engine stops
TMCC
1. A button that keeps braking speed as long as it is held down.
When it is released, engine returns to original speed
2. One brake sound that loops, persisting until the engine
Train Brake
TMCC2
1. Train Brake trims overall speed maximum
2. Adds more laboring effects
DCS
Not available
TMCC
Not available
Direction
TMCC2
1. Multifunction direction control stops train in forward with
braking sounds
2. Press again while moving for heavy braking with labored
brake sounds
3. Press again when stopped for direction change
4. User selectable to reverse directions with first press
DCS
1. Press a button to change directions
TMCC
1. Press a button to change directions
Throttle
TMCC2
1. Velocity throttle for exact control of speeds in 200 approx
1/2-smph increments
2. Change speed super coarse to super fine, by velocity control
3. Velocity Throttle Sequenced Control feature allows operator
control of Crew talk dialog sounds, Whistle, Horn, Bell,
Blow down effects and Braking sounds without using
anything other than the Throttle
DCS
1. Thumbwheel in 120 1-smph increments
2. Limited control over rate of speed changes
3. Rapid speed change by combination commands of pressing
direction button and scrolling speed (no direction change)
4. Sequence feature not available
TMCC
1. Relative control of 32 speed steps
2. Sequence feature not available
Display while running
TMCC2
1. Large display with speed graph and big numbers that is easily
readable at a glance and gives you the whole picture
of forces acting on the engine; Train Brake drag,
Commanded speed, and Target speed
DCS
1. Smaller numbers. No graph. You may need glasses according
to user forum posts.
2.True scale mph (patent protected) **
TMCC
1. Not available
Official Railroad speeds
TMCC2
1. 5 official railroad speeds available in the custom control panel
with matching dialog from tower to engineer and back
DCS
Not available
TMCC
Not available
Lash-ups
TMCC2
1. Provides lash-ups with a TMCC locomotive in 32speed step
mode
2. Provides lash-ups with new generation TMCC in OEM
locomotives
3. Provides lash-ups with other Lionel Legacy locomotives
4. Legacy locomotives all run at the same speed from the same
command
5. Does not support lash-ups with a DCS locomotive
6. Provides lash-ups with TMCC2 retrofitted locomotives
DCS
1. Provides lash-ups with any DCS locomotive
2. DCS locomotives all run at the same speed from the same
command
3. Does not support TMCC lash-ups
4. Provides lash-ups with DCS retrofitted locomotives
TMCC
1. Lash ups with other like locomotives
2. TMCC locomotives do not all run at same speed from same
command
Custom Control panel
TMCC2
1. A touch-screen control panel is customized for each locomotive
2. Changes automatically as each new loc is addressed
3. Different panels for steam, diesel, electric, custom panels
4. Animated icons for RPMS and chuffs
5. Animated icons for smoke effects
DCS
Not available
TMCC
Not available
Record / Playback
TMCC2
1. Record and play back sequences triggered by any key sequence
DCS
1. Record and playback sequences
TMCC
1. Record and playback available with extra hardware
Conventional Control
TMCC2
1. 200 speed steps with graphic display
2. Compatible with MTH Proto
DCS
1. Less than 32 speed step control
TMCC
1. 32 or 200 speed steps
Compatibility
TMCC2
1. Controls every LIONEL conventional or TMCC train ever made
2. Controls MTH in conventional with 200 speed steps
3. Control features of TMCC2 locomotives only accessible from
TMCC2 CAB2
4. Provides lash ups with all LIONEL TMCC locomotives (1&2)
5. Provides full sequenced control fro TMCC2 locs
6. Provides custom control panels for each locomotive
DCS
1. Controls DCS locs
2. Controls all conventional locs but with less than 32 speeds
3. Controls TMCC1 locs with no lash ups (no train addresses)
4. Controls TMCC1 locs with less than 32 speeds
5. Controls TMCC2 locs with no lash ups (no train addresses)
(DCS users attempt lash-ups by forcing engines to be
programmed with the same TMCC ID#, resulting in loss
of individual control of warning sounds, poor control
of coupler firing and loss of individual control
crew-talk tower-com dialogs)
6. Controls TMCC2 locs with less than 32 speeds
a. Limited control of whistle bell etc
b. No access to variable whistle
c. No access to variable brakes
d. No access to variable boost
e. No access to Legacy Velocity Throttle Sequenced Control
f. No access to direction features
g. No control of automatic laboring effects/sounds 32 levels
h. No custom control panels
Downloading from internet
TMCC2
1. Not required
DCS
1. Necessary to download sounds and system upgrades
Extras
DCS has a lot of extras like playing a CD through your train, talking through your train from a microphone in the controller or an external mic, full control over individual sound volumes, Doppler effect, fully-programmable subways and trolleys and custom sounds that you download from the internet. ProtoCast, ProtoDispatcher, and clickety clack effects. These effects cut off other engine sounds when in use. Other DCS info that can be accessed in various system menus includes, chronometer, odometer, tripometer, battery readout, engine volts, track signal. Most of these features are found in the "back pages" of the DCS system
TMCC2 has a control mode "Velocity Throttle Sequenced Control", where the train speed, whistle, bell, crew-talk, brakes direction, start-up, shutdown and blow-down effects are controlled prototypically by using only the throttle. Another "extra" worth mentioning here is a "Feedback Effect" that shakes the remote when your train is laboring hard or braking with a lot of force. TMCC2 Legacy's "back pages" include Engine Specific Sequence Tuning, Route throw speeds, Engine Type information for custom control panels, battery monitoring, compatibility and readouts.
** MTH's patent protected scale mph readout is a nice touch, although it is hard to see without glasses as some hobbyists have noted. Lionel Legacy uses a speed graph. You can also read the speed steps numerically (large numbers) if you select that mode of viewing. A combination of the graph and numbers is also accessible for viewing while operating.
In summary, at this point it seems obvious that Legacy and DCS are two systems designed to get the best out of each of their manufacturers locomotives. While Legacy places a lot of emphasis on operator involvement through real time interactive sounds and controls, DCS focuses on statistical details about the engine for review by an interested operator. Both systems provide good low speed control that is even, with the 200 speed steps of Legacy potentially offering more resolution and smoother transitions through speed steps, as well as both finer and more coarse speed control from the throttle, while the DCS patent protected SMPH feature is prototypical.
Note...We know that not all features of either system are represented. DCS users who are more familiar with that system can add to the DCS list of features in this document by contacting info@coilcouplers.com. The same goes for TMCC users. We will add those as they come in...as well as anything new we learn about Lionel Legacy.
We do not guarantee the accuracy of these descriptions. They are meant for discussion only.
D. Railer CCA,
Thanks to Barry, DCS Ambassador for his contributions to this document.
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